Talk:Londo Mollari

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Spoilers

Spoiler indeed. Do we actually need to reveal this much? Gzuckier 16:20, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Best policy is probably to move all of the spoilery stuff to the bottom, with a spoiler warning above it. grendel|khan 16:56, 2004 Sep 18 (UTC)

Actually, according to WP:SPOIL,

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Accordingly, this should be left as it is. It looks like no one has made these changes in the five years since this subject was raised, but I thought I should make the point in case someone decides to get "helpful."

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 02:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputing early characterization

From his simply drawn, somewhat buffoonish early character, most notable for ineffectual temper tantrums over perceived slights, and his hatred of the lizard-like Narn Regime (once slaves to the Centauris, but now having achieved independence through revolt) and their Ambassador G'Kar, Mollari sought to regain the former glory of the Centauri Republic. Mollari's character becomes more detailed and rounded as the series progresses, and he is shown to be both likable, and capable of acts of kindness and generosity, even forming something of a grudging friendship with G'Kar.

I dispute the characterization that Londo is not sympathetic from the beginning. Having just watched the pilot and the first disc of the first season on Netflix, I think Londo is pretty clearly a likable character right from the start. In the pilot, he is a bit buffoonish, but there's already a considerable degree of pathos there (as when he explains to Garibaldi why he voted to expel Sinclair). In the early episodes of the season, Londo is clearly a sympathetic figure in both of the episodes in which he features - we are certainly meant to sympathize with him in both the episode where the Narns attack the outlying Centauri colony where Londo's nephew is chief researcher, and in the episode where he is bamboozled by a beautiful woman and has to get his secrets back. The early episodes are very clearly playing up the Narn as the principal bad guys, and the Centauri, and particularly Londo, generally come off sympathetic in comparison. john k 20:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Londo is a very sympathetic character, both in terms of how he is written (intended) and acted. If he were not, then there would be no essential tragedy of Londo Mollari. What happens to him at the end is meaningless unless he is understood to be essentially good to begin with. Gingermint (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The late Mollari: What episodes?

Which episodes contain all the information in the section "Emperor Mollari II" after Mollari received his keeper? In particular, the David Sheridan kidnapping and Mollari and G'Kar killing each other?

That Londo and G'Kar kill each other is foreshadowed throughout the show, and then actually shown in "War without End, Part 2". But many of the other details are not found in that episode. Perhaps some of it comes from novels? I've not seen pretty much any of the last season, so I don't know what may occur in that. john k 03:49, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at synopses, the stuff about a keeper for David Sheridan comes from "Objects at Rest," the second to last episode. I think some of the other stuff may have been spoken of indirectly by either Delenn or Londo in "War without End, Part 2" - but not directly. Probably much of this relies on novels. john k 04:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Mollari and G'Kar finally died at each other's hands" is only what Mollari thinks he forseen. G'Kar is quite alive for Sheridan farewell party (last episode).

Not at all. G'Kar is already dead at that moment. He is one of the 'absent friends' reminded at the table.

Centauri hairstyle

The well known Centauri hairstyle was originally created by Peter Jurasik as a gag in the preproduction costume fittings. His joke was misunderstood by series creator J. Michael Straczynski, who assumed that Jurasik liked the concept and did not want to disappoint him, while Jurasik did not want to insult JMS who he assumed really liked the hair. - I reckon this comes from the JMS commentary on the dvds? I think he mentioned only that on the first day of shooting Peter Jurasik came out of the trailer with a particularly badly done Centauri hair crest, and that his hairdo was much better from season 2 on. Nowhere is it mentioned that Peter Jurasik somehow created the Centauri hairstyle. Only that the directer and actor were too fond of each other to tell that a) Peter didn't like the badly done hair, and b) JMS didn't like it too, therefore it was that way during the first season. JMS mentions that Lord Refa also had a badly done crest.Aetherfukz 09:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the lack of responses I have now deleted the trivia entry, because The well known Centauri hairstyle was originally created by Peter Jurasik as a gag in the preproduction costume fittings is just false. Londo's hairstyle did indeed look particularly bad in season 1, but this was fixed in season 2 onward, where his hair look much more "regal" and not so fuzzy and uncombed like it did before. This was mentioned by JMS on the DVD commentary - that Jurasik came out of his trailer on the first day of shooting season 1 with particulary bad hairstyle, and JMS thought Jurasik liked it, and Jurasik thought JMS liked it so they didn't change it. Never, ever was it mentioned that Jurasik was somehow the inventor of the Centauri hairstyle. Aetherfukz 23:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Y'know, it would be interesting to have a little bit of information here about the details of the Centauri hairstyle. I suspect it denotes some kind of rank, but since I didn't see huge slabs of the show, I may have missed those details. If you know, please do post something about it. *Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 01:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bit of a late reply, but yes, amongst Centauri males hair length = social status, basically. That one emperor being bald was an exception, he was confident enough to own his baldness and not wear a wig, something about being too old (and humble) to care, I think. Xmoogle (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The well known Centauri hairstyle was originally created by Peter Jurasik as a gag in the preproduction costume fittings. His joke was misunderstood by series creator J. Michael Straczynski, who assumed that Jurasik liked the concept and did not want to disappoint him, while Jurasik did not want to insult JMS who he assumed really liked the hair." This does indeed come from J. Michael Straczynski in a commentary on the DVDs. Gingermint (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Omissions

Why does the article not mention his relationship with Lady Adira, his 4 wives, or his complex history with Lord Refa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.160.105 (talk • contribs) (29 January 2007)

I feel it should -- feel free to do so yourself, I don't remember much of the details so cannot do it myself.  Xiutwel (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question

""In my life I had four wives. I cared for them all deeply. But I loved Centauri Prime. Everything I did, I did for her." – Londo Mollari, 2278."

In this sentence, Mollary says he had four wives... Who was the fourth? Is it in the books or so?

Ah, in Season 5 Episode 2 Londo says his first wife died, a dancer, beneath his stand. (To President Sheridan in his dream) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.19.29.28 (talk) 01:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jasperwillem (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She didn't die. I think you're confusing a later character, who was, indeed, poisoned. His family forced the breakup of a marriage he had when he was young. Not too hard a thing to do, considering the way he describes her voice! I believe he said it could "curdle fresh milk." Gingermint (talk) 21:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

references

Anyone know an episode number for this?

At the end of the fifth season, it was revealed that the Drakh have manipulated the Interstellar Alliance into attacking the Centauri Homeworld. The Drakh decided they needed Londo to be Emperor. The Regent died when his keeper was removed, and another keeper was attached to Londo. For the next 15 years, Londo reigned as Emperor. Londo soon learned that alcohol would put the Keeper to sleep, and would allow him a few minutes of freedom.

— Xiutwel (talk) 08:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Or, some parallel events so that I can narrow it down a bit? 80.61.243.71 10:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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A Little Research

These things are always hard to research. Generally, one references DVD commentaries and interviews. Still, this does need some research and citations. Gingermint (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]