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Frida was not German as stated, she was jewish

Please correct the entry. Her father was a Jew from Germany. To call him, and her, German, is a huge error. 72.89.219.145 (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, the research cited only examined her paternal lineage, and does not contradict her claims: it is very possible that she was telling the truth if her father's mother's family were Jews: https://aharon.varady.net/omphalos/2008/05/on-frida-kahlos-jewish-identity --Readerofthedead (talk) 03:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mom was Jewish and also born in Germany. She considered herself a German. But she was never a practicing Jew. 2601:881:201:9620:B89F:7AD9:3C99:4481 (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism is an ethnoreligion, with complex and nuanced identities both within religious and ethnic communities, which sometimes are defined by and with national identies as well. Readerofthedead (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Rivera was Jewish too. They were both friends of Trotsky, who was also Jewish. Lot's of matzoh in the woodpile of Mexico! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6AE5:2510:0:0:0:46 (talk) 17:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She was Mexican. But the article also says this: "Although Kahlo said her father was Jewish and her paternal grandparents were Jews from the city of Arad, this claim was challenged in 2006 by a pair of German genealogists who found he was instead a Lutheran.". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico is a multiethnic and multicultural society. The question of her Mexican culture is not in question... her father's ethnicity, however, is determined by both his parents and in this the researchers limited themselves from exploring his matrilineal descent, preventing a definite conclusion and lending credence to Frida's claims. Readerofthedead (talk) 15:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any contradicting source(s)? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frida Kahlo should not be recognized as emblematic of Indigenous peoples and their traditions

As stated in the main article, "Kahlo's work has been celebrated internationally as emblematic of Mexican national and Indigenous peoples of Mexico indigenous traditions and by feminists for what is seen as its uncompromising depiction of the female experience and form". Frida Kahlo's status and ability to wear “Indigenismo” as an art practice substantially reflects her cultural role and proximity to whiteness and wealth. Frida Kahlo promoted indigenismo without having clear connections to Indigeneity. While indigenismo was the creation of Indigeneity without Indigenous perspectives, there are now opportunities to create a more inclusive dialogue about Indigeneity by allowing Indigenous perspectives to tell their own stories rather than Frida Kahlo a privileged woman sharing her experience as representation for them. Adysalvatierra1Adysalvatierra1 (talk) 16:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for those claims, or are they just your own personal opinions? I didn't even know that indigeneity and indigenismo were real words. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your second sentence was unwarranted, "real words" is a pretty loaded phrase when talking about this issue; Indigenous people are real, as are the words they use to describe themselves. But yes, you are correct, sources are needed to document and verify any disputes surrounding Kahlo's use of Indigenous styles and practices, or surrounding the general anointing by the art historical record of Kahlo as a key example of indigenismo in Mexican art. I would agree with OP that this article needs to be edited to reflect the diversity of thought around Kahlo's practice and legacy, but it requires good sourcing to do so. 19h00s (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with indigenous. I have no problem with indigenous people. Quite the opposite, in fact. If my admission of a lack of knowledge of the English language has upset you in some way, I can only apologise. I look forward to seeing some reliable sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Too few pictures of her work, too many pictures of her

She was a painter, there should be more examples of her paintings. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree, as only one of her paintings is shown. But do you know of any more that could be used within the limitations of copyright? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, unfortunately I don't know enough to solve this. I hadn't thought of the copyright aspect - most painters I have seen Wikipedia articles about died a longer time ago and it just didn't occur to me that her case was different.--62.73.69.121 (talk) 20:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bringing Frida Kahlo to Good Article

I've been thinking of bringing this article to GA status but since its so big I was wondering if anyone is willing to help! Thank you. The Blue Rider 22:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frida Kahlos work will enter the public domain on 1 January 2025 in many parts of the world...

...but not in Mexico and not in the United States. This means that Commons will not be able to host her works until at least 2055 (!). How will the English-language Wikipedia deal with this issue? The German-language Wikipedia community is considering hosting the entirety of her works locally. Happy to hear your thoughts at commons:Talk:Frida Kahlo. Thanks, Gnom (talk) 09:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully her artwork is uploaded locally already, and if not please do so, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking for the German-language community, we cannot upload anything until 1 January 2025. For English-language Wikipedia, we can only upload works from before 1929 or what falls under the fair use policy. Gnom (talk) 10:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder could you clarify for editors exactly what "hosting locally" and "uploading locally" means? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123: I mean hosting directly on the specific Wikipedia language instance instead of on Commons. Gnom (talk) 11:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which should always be done but isn't. My main complaint with Commons is that when an image is deleted that if it is used on, say, English Wikipedia articles, a copy should be placed on the local site. That should be a policy there. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Um, because the Wikipedia servers are not located in the US, while the Commons ones are? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martinevans123, have thought they were. This page doesn't make it clear but seems to indicate most servers are in the U.S. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then I'm a bit confused as to how this "local uploading" gets around US copyright law. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that U.S. law applies to Wikipedia because the servers are located in the United States is incorrect, but remains a widespread 'legal myth' among Wikipedians. --Gnom (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so how does "local uploading" help? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, the German-language Wikipedia has a policy that any and all works hosted locally must adhere to German, Swiss, and Austrian law. Gnom (talk) 18:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ok. So all English-language storage happens in the US? "Locally" actually means all non-English wikis? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magda Pach painting

Why is this Magda Pach painting featured? It's not like there are no photos of Kahlo; there is even already a self-portrait on the page. Replace it with another painting actually by Kahlo. 50.48.129.86 (talk) 14:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's significant because Walter Pach is notable? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]