Talk:Norway

Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things:

• whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions),
• which new version (with of without indicating the entire European Union by a separate shade) should be applied for which countries.

Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 00:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Outdated citation about the NSB

Under Economy and under Transport it says: "Airport Express Train are operated by Norges Statsbaner (NSB)." Sourced from 189 in the reference and it is from 2008. The problem is that the NSB no longer exists. Checking Airport Express Trains hyperlink shows that it no longer exists. Might be good to change and/or look into subject after our privatizing of rail during Høyre-coalition and stopping the privatization during our AP-coalition in recent times. Royal Respects (talk) 01:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I updated it and added a new source.Cashewnøtt (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Religion

world population review

There are Many studies that asked the Norwegian population what they believed in. 33% of Norwegians who are registered in the Norwegian Church are atheists or agnostics who have received the sacraments. It is not fair to report a graph on religion in Norway like this. According to estimates from 2024, 50-62% of Norwegians are non-religious. Pier1999 (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Personally think it's always best to use official statistics. Moxy🍁 02:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

No, because many of those who are enrolled today are atheists or agnostics. In the other pages, professional surveys that have been conducted among people are used. Not how many of them are baptized. Pier1999 (talk) 02:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

If one has to make a chart about religion in Norway, it should be done by citing studies that truly show what people believe in. This is how it's done on the pages of other countries. Pier1999 (talk) 02:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

What is done on the majority of pages is using official statistics rather than analysis done by small surveys. Let's see what others have to say. Moxy🍁 02:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

For my country (Italy), you used a Eurobarometer study which states that about 80% of the population is Catholic. But if we were to do as on this page, then we should write that 95% of the population is Catholic because 95% of Italians are baptized, thus part of the Church. However, in reality, they rightly used a European Commission study that interviewed thousands of people. Pier1999 (talk) 02:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, many pages report official data from academic studies or the European Commission. Not how many are baptized. Pier1999 (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The majority of atheists or agnostics in the world are baptized. I am an atheist and I was baptized. A chart indicating religion in a country should cite studies where Norwegians state what their religion is. This is how it has been done on other pages! Pier1999 (talk) 02:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure you understand how these surveys work..... There is not a question about baptism.....its about your belief. Anyways we've been using official Norway published statistics for close to 20 years now. Moxy🍁 02:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The statistics you are using are those of how many are members of the Norwegian Church. And many of these members today might be non-believers. Pier1999 (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Numerous studies, which I can provide, show that half of the Norwegian population today is not religious. Pier1999 (talk) 02:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

For example, a 2020 survey conducted by the Norwegian Institute of Statistics found that 39% of respondents considered themselves atheists or agnostics. Pier1999 (talk) 02:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Third party report on 2022 official numbers. Moxy🍁 02:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but in Norway, anyone who has received the sacraments is considered a member of the Norwegian Church. In addition to the fact that very few are practicing, even those who have become atheists/agnostics and were baptized and had communion are considered members. Do you understand what I mean? Pier1999 (talk) 10:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

"anyone who has received the sacraments is considered a member of the Norwegian Church"

This is not strictly true. The sacraments are a requirement for membership, but membership can be cancelled. Cashewnøtt (talk) 08:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but almost no one removes the sacraments because people don't care. In Italy, 95% of the population is baptized, but 84% are Catholic. The majority of atheists here are baptized as well, according to studies. Pier1999 (talk) 10:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

In Italy, 95% of the population is a member of the Catholic Church, but according to a study by the European Commission, only 80% are Catholic. About 15% of the members (people who are baptized and such) are now atheists and agnostics. This is what I mean; you can't rely on the number of Christians by considering church members. In many countries, even though they are secular, until 20/25 years ago, people were baptized and took communion as a social convention. Pier1999 (talk) 10:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The article only states how many members there are in the Norwegian Church. It doesn't say how many people have declared their faith. My father is agnostic and has all the sacraments because he did them for social convention. he even got married in the church. He is considered a member of the Catholic Church. Pier1999 (talk) 10:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

In these surveys, does anyone ask the children and babies what they believe, or do we allow the parents to say what their kids believe? HiLo48 (talk) 10:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

In surveys, they usually consider people either from 18 years old or from 15 years old; they don't ask children. Anyway, I repeat that in the majority of the pages you used data from sociological entities, the European Commission, etc. All studies on samples of thousands of people. And they asked those people directly. Pier1999 (talk) 11:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

In the data on Italy, you used data from the European Commission. In fact, 80% of the population is actually Catholic, even though 95% are baptized. Pier1999 (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

In Norway, even 35% of the population doesn't even have baptism, so imagine how many are actually atheists or agnostics. Pier1999 (talk) 11:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Good news, the European Commission conducted a survey among Norwegians in 2024. You can find all the survey data on the Eurobarometer website. As of today, 62% of Norwegians declare themselves non-religious. I have included the source. Pier1999 (talk) 16:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

For now, I have updated everything, using the new data that shows fewer people are affiliated with the Church of Norway and, most importantly, for consistency, I have updated it to 63%. Anyway, as soon as I find important sociological studies on Norway and on how many are actually non-believers, I will link them here. Now I have things to do! Pier1999 (talk) 13:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

You'll need to get input from other people to implement these changes. Moxy🍁 18:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

So I will wait. However, I have many sources that show 62% of Norwegians are non-believers. Pier1999 (talk) 18:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

We are not into guess work here.. what we're looking for is accurate representation of the sources. [1]. Moxy🍁 18:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Um, okay. 62% of Norwegians declare themselves non-religious according to numerous surveys. So? Pier1999 (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Pls review WP:SYNTH... Lets quote the source When asked if religion was an important part of their lives, only 62% of Norwegians responded that it was. However, as is the case in many highly industrialized countries, a large number of Norwegians still culturally identify with Christianity without practicing the religion... Moxy🍁 18:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-religious-countries Pier1999 (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if your just pulling my leg or think I cant see the source ,,,but lets quote the source your using Religious people in Norway are mostly Christian, with 71.5% showing affiliations with Church of Norway (Evangelical Lutheran - official), 2.8% of people are Roman Catholic, and 3/9% practicing another denomination of Christianity. Muslims make up 2.9% of the Norwegian populous, 2% practice a different religion, and 16.8% of the population are unaffiliated with any faith. Like all people of Scandinavian origin, early Norwegians Norse Paganism. Missionaries brought Christianity to the area around the year 1000. Moxy🍁 18:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but the data still needs to be updated. More than 25% of the population in Norway is non-religious. I hadn't read the entire study, sorry. Pier1999 (talk) 18:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

"According to reports in The Local, the annual survey from Norsk Monitor revealed just 37 per cent answered yes compared to 39 per cent that answered no, when asked the simple question: “Do you believe in god?” Did you read my other source? Pier1999 (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/majority-of-norwegians-dont-believe-in-god/ Other source. Pier1999 (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Like many of my countryfolk, I am an apatheist. I hardly ever think about religion. That's not the same as not believing. Where would I fit into these surveys? HiLo48 (talk) 23:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

In the part of the indifferent! They created that too! Pier1999 (talk) 00:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Bokmål and nynorsk as languages

In the current (22 August 2024) edition of the page, the following is stated under the "Languages" section: "It has two official written forms, Bokmål and Nynorsk. Both are used in public administration, schools, churches, and media. Bokmål is the written language used by a majority of about 85%."

According to the Act on Languages of 2021 § 3 (https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/2021-05-21-42), bokmål and nynorsk are defined as languages, not as written languages. This was purposefully done by the Norwegian government, as explained in Prop. 108 L (2020-2021) on page 156, to highlight the fact that the two Norwegian languages are not only written languages.

Seeing as bokmål and nynorsk are not legally restricted to written languages in Norway, I suggest that the languages are not referred to as written in this article. 132.150.8.6 (talk) 10:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The same law quotes as follow:

"§ 4.Norsk språk

Norsk er det nasjonale hovudspråket i Noreg.

Bokmål og nynorsk er likeverdige språk som skal kunne brukast i alle delar av samfunnet. I offentlege organ er bokmål og nynorsk jamstilte skriftspråk."

Translated:

"§ 4.Norwegian language Norwegian is the official national language of Norway.

Bokmål and Nynorsk are equal languages ​​that should be able to be used in all parts of society. In public bodies, Bokmål and Nynorsk are equally written languages."

As many have stated before, nobody in Norway speaks purely Bokmål or Nynorsk, as these are constructed to be written norms. Most of the spoken language is either a form of a sociolect or dialect. Volum-ion (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Economy

There is a an unsourced, most probably false information written in the opening of this section that contradicts the rest of the sourced information in the article, it mentions a mix of free market (free of regulation) and state intervention system, but there is no area of Norway's economy working withouh state intervention as the article explains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:446:98:FD3F:FD2E:3557:3270 (talk) 12:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2024

Request to add

Media

Main article: Mass media in Norway

under the section Norway#Culture.

42.60.108.206 (talk) 11:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: I would think that the main article for the culture of Norway would be Culture of Norway, I don't think adding this one to this location makes sense. TylerBurden (talk) 19:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)