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- Not 100% certain of all of these, though it's a badly needed resource. Argentina in particular I've heard both blue/black and blue/yellow. South Africa I'm also unsure about it...the only example in F1 I can find is John Love in Kylami in '67, and his car was a dark blue or black! Kurohone 05:31, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad someone else agrees about these colors. As a fan of mid-century F1, it's nice to have a color reference! --SFoskett 20:33, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

I've understood the national racing colour of Finland is black with blue numbers on white background. White with blue cross on bonnet is admittedly mentioned also. Moreover, I think orange belongs to New Zealand, not the Netherlands. Witness the orange pre-season McLarens in late 90s in honour of the team's original founder, a New Zealander Bruce McLaren.

No, Bruce McLaren's cars were originally in the New Zealand colours of green and silver. The team colour of orange came with sponsorship from Gulf, whose corporate colour that was. Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands. -- Ian Dalziel 14:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

I am proposing to move this page to a new one called List of racing colors as instead of just listing colors by countries, it will list those by corporation (JPS) and manufacturers (red,blue and white of Nissan), also it will not just be limited to cars (eg Kawasaki green and Yamaha black on yellow or red on white speedblock) Willirennen 02:40 26 November 2006 (utc)

Provided the commercial colours are not mixed in the same list, I don't see why not. It could wind up a long article, though. -- Ian Dalziel 11:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Willirennen's proposition is obsolete since there is now a separate article on Formula One sponsorship liveries, don't you think? John Anderson (talk) 11:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic = Czechoslovakia?

The colours as given to the Czech Republic here, shouldn't they be for Czechoslovakia? The Czech Republic did not exist in the time when national colours where used on race cars. E.G. 18:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noone has commented on this. I change Czech Republic to Czechoslovakia now. E.G. 18:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had to do the same again the other day. John Anderson (talk) 11:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand - black?

Some anonymos user has added the information to the list, that some (?) New Zealand teams used black, in stead of the green and silver which is noted above on this talk page. Was it really so in the days of natioanl racing colors, or is this a missunderstanding because New Zealand national sportsteams often use black? The A1 Team New Zealand seems to be using black, but that's a much later enterprise and is thus not eligile for adding to this list, I think. John Anderson 11:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this decision as nowadays the general public associate NZ with black, for example, the most famous one being the rugby team, that's why the A1 team uses this color rather than the traditional color people forgot about. Willirennen 11:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but do you have any source that proves there were any NZ race cars pre-1970 which were painted black? That's the real question here. John Anderson 14:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This looks distinctly like black and silver to me. The accompanying text states as much. Pyrope 15:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Where's that text, now? John Anderson 21:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The text is here, fifth line down. Pyrope 08:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's also supported on page 73 of Doug Nye's "McLaren, The Grand Prix, Can-Am and Indy Cars": "This new Mark 1 McLaren ... The car was sprayed in New Zealand national colours of jet black with a silver stripe...". -- DH85868993 12:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I added these as references to the article now. John Anderson 14:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Green & Gold

Brabham's racing colours have been raised a couple of times on the Brabham talk page. From 1963 to 1969 the team ran its cars in green with gold trim round the nose. See the picture at Brabham BT19 for example (although that pic should probably be deleted....). This is referred to in a couple of sources (Brabham, Jack & Doug Nye (2004), The Jack Brabham Story, Motorbooks International, ISBN 0-7603-1590-6 p.147, for example) as racing in the Australian colours. As I understand it, technically they couldn't have done that, since the team was registered in the UK. user:DeafCom has identified this, which states that the green and gold were in general unofficial colours prior to 1984, and became 'Australia's official colours' after that date. Some questions therefore:

Did teams really have to race in their national colours (Didn't Rob Walker's cars run in dark blue?)? (Not that I'm aware of and I dont think its ever been in the rules DeafCom 21:31, 03 Sept 2007 (UTC)))
Were Australia's colours in motor racing really green and gold at the time? (only one international team ran in the 1960's - Brabham. Nationally - Australians ran all combinations DeafCom 21:31, 03 Sept 2007 (UTC)))
If Green & Gold were Australia's colours, how come Team Lotus raced in a very similar livery to Brabham (Green with gold trim on nose)? (By choice? I think original national racing colours can be traced back to before WW2 - the 20/30's DeafCom 21:31, 03 Sept 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for any light you can shed! 4u1e 15:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Navy blue with white stripes to match the Saint Andrew's cross of Scotland, Walker's ancestral home (of Johnnie Walker scotch whiskey fame). At some point the sky blue orange colour scheme later associted with Gulf oil sponsorship had been considered Australian racing colours, but I can't for the moment find a source to back that up. Lotus used yellow rather than gold for their nose, I imagine so this could distinguish their cars more easily from Cooper's at a guess which wore green with white stripes. All the British marques used some distinguishment from their fellows - I think BRM used orange. Often the Brabham gold stripe ran the length of of the car along its spine. --Falcadore (talk) 03:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Colours

British Racing Green is a deep shade of green and not simply green as listed and illustrated. Also, silver was never an "official" colour for Germany. The fact that Mercedes chose to run unpainted silver cars does not mean silver was officially the national colour as well as white. They merely got away with it because it was close enough to white i reckon. --Amedeo Félix (talk) 11:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we acctually need more sources on any information like this, because there is much different opinions given on these questions around the Internet. I'd like to see an old official list from FIA giving the national colors as they acctually were stated in the 1960's and earlier, but I don't know where to get it. John Anderson (talk) 11:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blue color for Peugeot, Ligier and Prost

Peugeot used blue color at 1913 Indianapolis 500, the event won by Jules Goux. Ligier and later Prost chose blue because of their French nationalities. The matter if this choise was made during the time when national colours were obligatory or not is irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.80.191.190 (talk) 13:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, that is highly relevant. National colors were mandatory for decades. If you use them after that regulation was lifted, you are just doing it for fun and it is more of a team livery than a national livery. John Anderson (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mandatory when, and by what regulation? Colours were prescribed, but they were never mandatory in all Grands Prix - private teams used non-national colours from the early fifties. Nor do I see why blue should have ceased to be the French national colour or red the Italian because they were not compulsory. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Romania in the National list

The entry for Romania is using the symbol image for France. You might want to check that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:6B87:D800:B56F:2078:22B:C8D7 (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed I've removed the offending image (there was no correct image with which to replace it). Thanks for pointing out the error. DH85868993 (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]