Talk:Mo Li Hua

A fact from Mo Li Hua appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 March 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mo Li Hua (Jasmine Flower), a popular Chinese folk song used previously on many official occasions, was censored due to its association with the 2011 Chinese protests?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/March.

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Protests

There is a disproportionate number of mentions of this song's association with the relatively minor 2011 protests. For such a classic piece of Chinese culture it is bizarre a supposedly neutral source would put such an emphasis on pro-US ideology. Constructive criticism, wikifriends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.253.94.182 (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussion

For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mo Li Hua

Could someone please translate the lyrics? I'm horrible at Chinese... =| --Andylkl 08:31, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I could try a literal translation. Here goes:

好一朵美丽的茉莉花 Beautiful jasmine

好一朵美丽的茉莉花 Beautiful jasmine

芬芳美丽满枝桠 Fragrant, pretty, stems full of buds

又香又白人人夸 Sweet-smelling, white, everyone praises you

让我来将你摘下 Let me pluck you

送给别人家 And present you to someone [possibly "a friend"]

茉莉花呀茉莉花 Jasmine, oh jasmine

I'm not very sure what 桠 (third line) means, it's not in any of the dictionaries I've checked. In context it seems like shoots or buds.

Still, the translation needs a lot of work. Maycontainpeanuts 11:26, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Um yeah, it's kinda odd to translate.

It sounds totally incoherent in english as Maycontainpeanuts would have pointed out - his translation is already quite accurate, however literal

Fiveless 11:39, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

All right, edited your translation a bit to this:

好一朵美丽的茉莉花 A beautiful jasmine flower

好一朵美丽的茉莉花 A beautiful jasmine flower

芬芳美丽满枝桠 Fragrant and pretty, stems full of buds

又香又白人人夸 Sweet-smelling and white, everyone praises

让我来将你摘下 Let me pluck you down

送给别人家 And present to someone 

茉莉花呀茉莉花 Jasmine flower, oh jasmine flower

performance at the 2004 Athens Olympics

A misconception goes that this song was performed by the 12 girl band, rather this was not. The 14 girls who performed this song in Athens were Beijing University students, not the actual 12 girl band. --24.86.74.191 (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checked my dictionary, "桠" is indeed buds... If there's no objections, I think we'll be using this translations (however arkward it may seem), thanks for helping out! =) --Andylkl 18:13, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hold on a sec, found a better translation through a google search, suppose we can use it?

Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair!
Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair!
Blossoming and budding here and there,
Pure and fregrant all declare.
Let me pluck you with tender and care,
Your loveliness with all to share.
Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair!

--Andylkl 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lead

Since the content about recent importance and events have been removed from lead twice over the past half a year, let me state here the rationale for justification. WP:LEAD states that the article's content should be summarized in the lead, and the lead is not too bloated for a paragraph dedicated to summarizing this content, which accounts to close to a half of the article anyway. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A summary should summarize the whole historical development of the song, which has been around since the 18th century. Instead the paragraph is about a few events of the last 10 years. That is Wikipedia:Recentism. At most, even if all these events should be mentioned, it should be a maximum of one sentence for the lead.--Sevilledade (talk) 05:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further, although they all share the same title, there are several different versions of this composition, with different melody and lyrics that has been developed throughout centuries. Can you actually specify which is used for the Summer Olympics, which is used during the Expo, and which is used during the Jasmine Revolution?--Sevilledade (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We are not an encyclopedia of history only, recent events can be important - and the song gained fame for them. Feel free to expand on history, and the lead, but the recent use seems notable enough for a mention in the lead. And certainly, let's stress the existence of various versions. If you disagree, I'd suggest we seek a WP:3O on this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I trimmed the lead, making it all one sentence. You still haven't addressed Wikipedia:Recentism? The "song gained fame for them"? As if it wasn't famous before? You need to illustrate with evidence that the song only became well-known due to these current events.--Sevilledade (talk) 22:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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About how to create a rhythmic improve vision on the first part of the song mo li hua using with two beats 49.146.44.44 (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]