Talk:Moment of silence
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1. The title of this article would appear to address a broader topic than does the article text.
2. This would appear be written from the POV of one who is an advocate of greater separation of church and state.
- The article is open for contributions and because of its infancy, some might notice its incomplete.
Those who advocate the 'moment of silence' don't necessarily advocate for a greater separation of church and state. The 'Moment of silence' may provide provision and equality, not only for the church, but also mosque, temple, synagogue and those without religious belief. If you feel there is POV, by all means, NPOV it. I removed possible POV. Be well. Usedbook 23:27 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I believe it reads quite a bit better now. Kat 18:41 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
which court decision?
[edit]"a 1962 U.S. Supreme Court decision" citation available?Pedant 01:49, 2004 Oct 30 (UTC)
More generally, I think this article could benefit from some citations. Even just one. Ethan Mitchell 23:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is biased as it is currently written. In Texas, the Moment of Silence is being used to introduce prayer into public schools. [[David Wallace Croft 19:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)]]
- Biased which way? And how would you suggest the texas information be incorporated? Powers 13:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- I read it the other way. It seemed to me that someone with a chip on their shoulder about "atheists" is attempting to connect said demographic with attacking traditions such as memorial day/rememberence day. Obviously not something they on the whole should, or would do in my opinion. I think this article needs to be broken down into two sections. Moments of silence in schools, and moments of silence on holidays. I also think the following reference to atheists and atheism here should be deleted given theres no corresponding citations:
- "However, critics often view the moment of silence as publicly endorsing prayer "in disguise". This issue has been especially raised by atheists groups and advocates, who argue that no non-religious purpose is served by designating an official moment of silence[citation needed]. They point out, for example, that many schools have entire class periods dedicated to silent study, which can equally be used for silent prayer or meditation.[citation needed]"Canisaquilus (talk) 19:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- I read it the other way. It seemed to me that someone with a chip on their shoulder about "atheists" is attempting to connect said demographic with attacking traditions such as memorial day/rememberence day. Obviously not something they on the whole should, or would do in my opinion. I think this article needs to be broken down into two sections. Moments of silence in schools, and moments of silence on holidays. I also think the following reference to atheists and atheism here should be deleted given theres no corresponding citations:
This section needs to be rewritten or referenced:
"Given that it is lacking in any specific religious formulation, the use of the moment of silence in public places (such as public schools and town halls in lieu of a prayer) has brought a remedy for those seeking religious tolerance and others urging the removal of religion from public institutions.
During the observance of such quiet moments in public schools, Buddhist students could meditate, students adhering to religious beliefs such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism would be allotted time for prayer, and atheist students could reflect on the upcoming day."
This is the "Intelligent Design" version of the purpose of the Moment of Silence. The actual purpose is to introduce organized silent prayer into public schools where none now exists. [[David Wallace Croft 20:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)]]
- I happen to agree with your sentiment, but I'm not sure it's NPOV to ascribe that motive without evidence. Powers 22:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I think we need to delete the above two quoted sentences and the following Powell sentence as biased. They are arguments on behalf of a political/religious position. [[David Wallace Croft 04:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)]]
- I think I've edited the offending paragraph back to neutrality. I would also say that some of the subsequent discussion really belongs in the prayer in schools page, not here. Ethan Mitchell 16:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. [[David Wallace Croft 02:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)]]
- Ok, I cut it. The info is already on the PIS page. Ethan Mitchell 22:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- I put it back as a reversion of an "unexplained removal," neglecting to have read the discussion here; I apologize. (An edit summary would have helped, though!) Anyway, I think it's useful background information that shouldn't be deleted. Perhaps it could be re-written to reference the School prayer article, though. Powers 14:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I moved the paragraph ahead of the previous one and revised it to be more consise. I still think it's useful background info. What do you think? Powers 14:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Mmmm, thanks for the point about edit summaries. I think my objection was that the phrasing of the original paragraph made it sound like a defensive (and thus POV) insertion of extra material. I like the new version, I've reorganized it a bit for flow. Ethan Mitchell 19:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There might still be problems: http://www.weatherforddemocrat.com/sports/local_story_275170133.html [[[User:David Wallace Croft|David Wallace Croft]] 01:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)]
- David Wallace Croft I'm not going to look at the detail as I know little about the topic, but as a non-US citizen, it seems that this section is given too much weight and detail here, considering the title of the article. IMO opinion it could be cut down and more citations provided. I have added a See Alsos from and to Separation of church and state in the United States. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
International
[edit]I have no knowledge as to outside of the UK. This article refers to the UK and USA alot. Is this an international ceremony or just commonwealth and US? Would be interesting to have views from other continents, or alternatively, links to their equivelants. Bamkin (talk) 19:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
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Overlap with Two-minute Silence
[edit]Apart from being rather general, unfocused and having over-emphasis on a particular topic regarding prayer or silence in US schools, this article includes a lot of information about the Two-minute silence introduced to commemorate Armistice Day at the end of World War One. For consistency this information should be reviewed, anything useful added to the other article, and content removed from this page apart from a brief reference to the practice.Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I have now edited extensively to remove most of the information relating to the Two-minute silence, which I will incorporate into that article if not there already.Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Moment of applause
[edit]This came about at sporting events because of the tendency of some spectators to disrupt the "moment of silence" by shouting. FL Carpetbagger (talk) 01:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)