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References

I have been editing this article off and on but it is sorely in needs of references. I have tagged accordingly. 2 references have been added but much more are required for the article. Stextc (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While we're at it, when compared to Terry Moore's Strangers in Paradise, Dave Sim's Cerebus, and Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon, all of which were worked on by a single writer/artist for 90+ issues each, how does Bone's 55 issues make it one of the longest running? --Toquinha (talk) 13:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning to fix and reference as I can find them. I'm happy to leave it untouched but if it can not be referenced in a couple of weeks, it will be deleted. Stextc (talk) 06:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Why isn't there a critical reception or response section? You mention the Eisner awards but that's about it. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed! Just added a reception section and one review. It needs much more reviews though! Stextc (talk) 06:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Note On Reception

Is it rude to ask who the hell is Michael Arner and why is the opinion of someone entirely irrelevant -culturally speaking, of course, I'm sure his mother cares about him- included in what is meant to be an encyclopedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.84.248.99 (talk) 11:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comic / Comics

I am going to bring this up on this talk page: why was the content on Bone (comic) manually moved to Bone (comics)? What difference does one "s" make? --DXI 00:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's back on Bone (comic) now.... Lee M 13:32, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I manually moved it back. I wanted to know why it was moved in the first place. --DXI 15:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The standard is "(comics)," as discussed in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Entry title standardization. This has been the precedent for ages, see e.g. Wolverine (comics), The Avengers (comics), Spawn (comics), Hercules (comics), 300 (comic book), etc. Sorry I didn't respond earlier; I didn't even see this conversation until now, after doing another manual move. -leigh (φθόγγος) 22:33, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, ok, I wasn't sure. I just went with the page that originally had the better content. You live, you learn. --DXI 04:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bilbo Baggins

Interesting to see Fone Bone compared to Bilbo Baggins. I suspect that Smith didn't deliberately model Fone Bone on Bilbo, but rather cut him from the same cloth. In an earlier version of the article (cut for some reason) I described him as an everyman character. Like Bilbo he's a regular guy in a crazy world just trying to do his best. Lee M 13:32, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Compromise

A compromise should be reached on a disputed paragraph in the notes section. Here is the paragraph as written by Phthoggos a couple of edits ago: The Bone characters have been compared to those of Walt Kelly's Pogo, but they also have other literary precedents. Phoney Bone resembles Carl Barks' Scrooge McDuck, Fone Bone bears some similarities to J.R.R. Tolkien's Bilbo Baggins, and Smiley Bone resembles a less intelligent version of Groucho Marx.

Here is the current version:

The Bone characters have been compared to those of Walt Kelly's Pogo, but the resemblance is in appearance only. Phoney Bone's personality resembles Carl Barks' Scrooge McDuck, Fone Bone's personality bears some similarities to J.R.R. Tolkien's Bilbo Baggins, and Smiley Bone's personality is akin to something like a less intelligent version of Groucho Marx.

I added in that their personalities were reminescent of the respective characters mentioned; I did so because I was concerned that outsiders might assume the resemblance was related to appearance. Phthoggos left me a message on my talk page, arguing that the Pogo comparison was more extensive than just appearance. I haven't really read much Pogo (it's difficult to find), so I obviously didn't identify any distinctive character similarities or otherwise. Here is a possible compromise nonetheless:

The Bone characters have been compared to those of Walt Kelly's Pogo, both in appearance and in characterization. However, their respective personalities also have other precedents. Phoney Bone's personality resembles Carl Barks' Scrooge McDuck,... etc.

If anyone else has read more Pogo than I have, please feel free to comment and add any suggestions of your own. --DXI 01:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can't say the visual resemblance leaps out at me. I haven't looked at Bone in a while, but if memory serves: Fone Bone can be compared to Pogo Possum himself, the honest and patient everyman; Phoney to Howland Owl, as the schemer whose schemes always go awry; Smiley perhaps to Churchy LaFemme or Albert Alligator? —Tamfang 03:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen Pogo in a while, but if my memory serves me right, Fone Bone does look/act like Pogo. But no one speaks "swamp talk"... Brutannica 01:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm familiar with Bone, Pogo, Barks and I find Bone is not solely reminiscent of Pogo. For instance, I could start making comparisons with Popeye. So the compromise was needed and is welcome.--Leocomix 16:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find no references actually linking some of the comparisons. I found a comparison which states the Jeff used influences of Pogo but there has never been a mention of Bilbo, Aragon etc. Stextc (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Italic textpeople died while reading this book

Predecessor series -- why no info?

If I remembered the details, I'd write them up myself, but I don't. My recollection is that Bone began as a comic strip (maybe published in Smith's college newspaper), and that there's a very hard-to-find paperback collection (going for about $1000 when things were booming) called something like "Lantern Tales."

This would, I think, be important for the article even I'm even one-third right, so I hope somebody will track it down. N. Caligon 23:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

He goes into deatails about it in this interview

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/hogan/features/bone/home.asp --JRT 20:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Disney Adventures?

Does anyone else remember seeing this comic in Disney Adventures about ten years ago? I added a chunk about it, but more details would be greatly appreciated. --Gregoe86 20:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article already included this information. Tverbeek 22:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Mea maxima culpa... I shouldn't go editing Wiki during finals and on very little sleep. Sorry 'bout that! --Gregoe86 05:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes...it happened, i happen to own most of them

71.206.175.221 00:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Kanohievi[reply]

Graphic Novel Articles Merge

First, I'm a noob so I do something wrong, don't kill me. Anyways, I've noticed that all of the articles for the actual 9 volumes are short and have either a merge or a needs cleanup tag, so I suggest that they're all merged into this one, most are only a sentence or so anyways. Highlandlord 10:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On "Fone Bone"

Does anyone know why the character is named this? When I first read it I immediately thought of Girl 6, in which a character refers to phone sex as "phone bone". There's also a reference at this url: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=phone+bone

No reference was made in Bone, so I presume it was just a conincedence. Does anyone know for sure?

  His name is a pun on "funny bone" which is a synonym for "sense of humor." 
It does not come from Don Martin's character from Mad as was erroneously stated. 
I remember an interview where jeff Smith was asked and stated that Don Martin's character 
has likely the same origin.

--Leocomix 16:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Holy Crap! Now we are subject to the stupidity of urbandictionary's definitions for reference? Just because something reminds you as an individual of something else is not a reasonable need to post it here! For instance: Leocomix I immediately thought of Leoco Mix an nasty concoction of unnamed hard liquors and Countrytime Lemonade and Strawberry Jello, but does that mean I should subject the readers to this nonsense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.210.254 (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smiley not so innocent

I'm under the distinct impression, now reading through Bone, that Smiley acts stupid and inane on purpose to get people at each other's throats. This is made on the basis that Smiley seems to make either a remark roughly about how much he loves doing it, and the fact that his trademark grin turns into a smirk or some other much less friendly facial expression after doing so.

An example is when Lucius is hanging from the roof of Gran'ma Ben's house, Smiley let him fall by speaking non-sensically, and when he did fall, Smiley made a comment about how he could definitely get used to this place. Another is when Lucius, Smiley, and Phoney were walking in the rain after a rat creature attack, Smiley, through annoying them, got Lucius and Phoney to argue, ending up in Phoney agreeing to an obviously self-destructive bet. After which, Smiley smirked. Not only is a smirk supposedly out of character for him, it also seemed rather malicious.

Finally, the amount of knowledge he has about ticking others off, plus the fact that he has a VERY good grasp of things around him despite his "stupidity", makes me sincerely doubt he's as nice a guy as everyone believes. I think Lucius has it right. He DOES like torturing people. And Lucius is a VERY good judge of character, shown several times through the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.239.66 (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editions

I came to the article trying to find info on the different types of editions For instance I have collections marked 7-12 and 13-18. While the first collection matches the second TPB, it doesn't match the third TPB. Can someone fil up the missing data or refer to a site containing the data? --Leocomix 16:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs A Spoiler Tag

This page needs a spoiler tag- I learned a very important plot element I wasn't interested in learning due to the disclusion of a spoiler tag. --65.12.134.148 13:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Done - for such a large and important article it is thin on references, most sourcing the awards. There are a number of citation requests and it could do with more dense referencing even if that may partly mean primary sources in the characters sections. I'd also imagine the reception could be longer. (Emperor (talk) 03:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Bone: Tales of the Valley?

I highly doubt this is real. I mean, c'mon, Fone and Thorn's children? Who thought this up?

If it's not real, which I think, I'll remove it

85.146.98.166 (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

closest thing i could find is this -> http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:rvVzLWoq5gsJ:salamandertheatre.ca/productions/2009-10_Tales_from_the_Valley.pdf+BONE:+%22Tales+from+the+Valley%22&hl=en

am removing it - Krishvanth (talk) 19:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Bone projects...

Someone add this info to the article:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22164

Thanks!24.190.34.219 (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

needs a bit of work

this article needs a bit of work... e.g. better arrangement of layout etc... - Krishvanth (talk) 20:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i think i'll start up on it in a little while... expand the thing to multiple pages... its damn pitiful really, tat the entire series has been contained in jus one article... - Krishvanth (talk) 06:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it needs a lot of work, but it appears everyone who tasks themselves with the job, has no idea what they are doing, violating rules left and right, the problem really is it should either be: Left alone or done correctly, not done half way and then abandoned, or deleted entirely... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.210.254 (talk) 00:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NFCC regulates this. We always use as little non-free content as possible. Rettetast (talk) 18:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Will simply have to look for alternatives now. Perhaps I'll use a non-free image and add a couple of edits making it a free to use one. I suppose that would be acceptable. Krishvanth (talk) 20:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, no. If you start with a non-free image and modify it, what you create is a derivative work. The rights holder of the original still retains rights. You can't make a non-free image free by making a few changes to it. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Tale of Mim

The dragons joined together to fight Mim, and drove her into the earth, pushing the ground up around her. The dragons forced her tail into her mouth, becoming the infamous Crown of Horns.

Where in the series does it say that? If I remember correctly, the dragons turned Mim to stone and didn't drive her into the ground until the end of the series. Also, there is no mention to the Crown of Horns being Mim's tail, and how could that even be possible, since if that was the case, the Crown of Horns would go with Mim when she was freed, instead of staying in Tanen Gard.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On The Movie

I am here to confirm that the movie is in CGI according to this link [1]

Time top 10 Graphic Novels?

The article says that the single edition work was listed in the Time 10 best graphic novels list, but it is not included in the list given here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1883296,00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Murraypaul (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But it is on the "Full List" here. That selection is strikingly different: only Watchmen is on both lists.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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the picture isnt rite

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Proposed Additions and Changes to the Article

The most important change that need to be made to the Bone (comics) article is the sources. Very little of the article is cited which makes it an unreliable reference. It will be my job to go through the article and find sources that support what the existing text says. I do not plan on doing this for the entire article, only the sections that I will already be making additions to. Some of the section contain far too much detail about the comics, which I have not myself read. I am more focused on making sure the background and critical reception sections are accurate and organized than I am on the actual plot and character details.

Another aspect of the article that I have edited it the reception section. Here I have added more information about challenges and oppositions to the comics, giving it a more balanced review.

I found the structure of some sections worth revising as well. Throughout the article, sentence structure appears to be an issue. There are many run-on sentences and the information is presented out of order and in a generally confusing way. There are also a lot of unexplained details within the article. I have restructured certain paragraphs that I believed needed work in order to avoid this confusion. Again, I have focused my efforts on the reception and publication history sections, as those are the ones I know more about.

Lastly, I feel as though it would be beneficial to rename some of the sections to better fit what wikipedia users expect when scanning an article. This is a minor detail but one that I think would make the article appear more streamline. The guidelines wikipedia recommends for an ideal article are not followed in this particular article, so I believe altering the titles would make the article seem more professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vabro (talk • contribs) 23:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This page appears to have suffered from some vandalism, don't currently have the time to make thorough changes to it but it's got issues SirBearington (talk) 16:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bimonthly?

I changed bimomonthly to every other month because bimonthly can mean twice monthly or every other month. I made that change based on it having 55 issues irregularly over 13 years. Twice monthly would be 1320 issues while every other month would be 330 issues. Every other month is closer. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]