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Credit where due

Most of the content of this article in its first version comes from To Have and Have Not -- i.e. the article on the novel. Please see the history of that article -- but in brief, the contributors were Gamaliel, Ellsworth, Rjstern, Darwinek, Steve Eifert, and Ericd. -- Hoary 10:21, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

Critics Summary Request

I would like to see a synopsis of the reaction of movie critics to this film. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.107.103.186 (talk) 06:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Remakes"?

Are the two subsequent films actually remakes of this film, or just later, independent adaptations of the same source novel? It looks like their status as remakes may have just been assumed. Postdlf (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for the second film, but the Audie Murphy film is definitely an adaptation of the book, not a remake of the original—it's much more faithful to the original novel's plot. Binabik80 (talk) 03:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of Junk?

In this article, it states that Hawks told Hemingway that the novel was a "bunch of junk." But in the article for the novel it's the other way around; it's Hemingway who tells Hawks that the novel is junk. Both articles cite the same source, the Joseph McBride interview with Hawks. Can someone who has access to the source take a look and fix whichever article has it wrong? Mad Thinker (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please, this should be checked! Invertzoo (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A few bars of a sad song...

From: "To Have And Have Not" I have been trying to find the name of the song that Hoagy Carmichael begins a few bars of, I think it's after Johnson is shot. I have heard this song in it's entirety, in an old Max Fleisher Cartoon, featuring a 'down and out' Olive Oyl, sitting on the curb in front of her house, weeping (due to losing everything). I have been playing this sad melody for many years, but have known neither the name, nor the author. Can anyone help with this? josephkepe56@rocketmail.com 68.43.144.131 (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC) 68.43.144.131 (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2013 (UTC) 68.43.144.131 (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

@User:Grandpallama, hello, I noticed your edit to this article. In reference to your edit summary "unexplained genre change", I was unsure if you were referring to my addition of "adventure" to the film without explanation. Allow me to explain: according to WP:Manual of Style/Film, you determine the genre of the film by the consensus represented by a majority of sources. Most of the sources I see actually refer to the film as an adventure film rather than a war film, but I didn't feel justified in removing the war genre. Along these lines, I think your addition of the romance genre is very justified so thank you for your contribution! Skyes(BYU) (talk) 16:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Skyes(BYU) Thanks for following up. I wasn't targeting your edits (and feel free to restore or amend anything that seems problematic that I might have altered). I was instead bothered by this edit[1], one of many such by that editor that I was examining and/or reverting, which had originally removed the romance designation. If anything, it's more appropriate than the war designation, although I also agree with you that it seems tangentially enough of a war film that it would make sense to leave that genre, too. Grandpallama (talk) 16:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

anti-fascist themes

yes that section on the main page.. it's ok.. but, and this is only my two cents.. REALLY, even more powerful is the little? but highly telling 'speech'? given by Frenchie (a real-life, native-born Frenchman), in response to what Harry said.. "I like you... I don't like them." Also adding "you know they probably come back here and burn down the hotel". "Let them come", sez Frenchie w/ verve and determination of the French Resistance, "They (Vichy) may burn down the hotel, but it only be a little fire compared to the big fire we give them"... In perspective, film production ended May '44, only ONE MONTH BEFORE D-DAY. viva la France!

Thank you for those suggestions. Unfortunately, Wikipedia policy prohibits editors from doing original research in their writing, especially if I was to go as far to add that to the analysis section for anti-fascist themes. I would have to find a reliable source to support those statements, if I find one, I will gladly add that to the article. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 19:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]