Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita

Recently someone basically destroyed the ranking, now it's one big mess

Someone added new column 'median estimate' and in majority of countries just copied old data from 2022. Positions of countries in the table were mixed up. Because of that, the table (for most countries) shows 2022 rankings, not rankings based on 2023 estimates, like before this new mess. 188.33.240.10 (talk) 12:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates makes no sense... and it makes you lose interest

The sources are from different years and IMF is the most important benchmark used in statistics. On the Wiki page of each country, the GDP is sorted by IMF and the ranking of countries were mixed up, because of this useless median artifice. Where IMF data is missing, to be completed with data from WB or UN. Monaco and Liechtenstein are considered self-governance in the current list and not countries. An administrator to choose whether this median estimate is useful and must be deleted or retained. I remain of the opinion that median estimation is useless, and the ranking according to IMF data is the most important reference. MIHAIL (talk) 04:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates due to confusion

Agree with comments above. Whoever added the "Median Estimates" column, did not notice that the different sources referred to different years. It is a logical error and must be removed. Skartsis (talk) 10:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates must be removed

Whoever added the "Median Estimates" column just complied older data from 2022 and replaced 2023 data with it. Super confusing, this should be removed. Socialwave597 (talk) 06:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I would also support removing the median estimate. The IMF World Bank and UN estimates are from different years so averaging them is misleading. The list should be ranked based on the IMF estimates as it looks like the most recent. SKAG123 (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

2024 Update

The IMF webpage now presents the 2024 values. A good chance to upadate this article, and remove the (surprisingly erroneous) "Median Estimate" column.Skartsis (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I agree that the "Median Estimate" column needs to be removed. I will get down to it. Fiszu2001 (talk) 10:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. I would have appreciated a ping before it was removed, as I could have explained this. jhpratt (talk) 10:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, the IMF data for 2024 are estimates, so you have to wait for the April report to change them. Qplb191 (talk) 09:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Data for 2024 are estimates, but same goes for 2023 data and for data a few years back. In fact, the column where we keep the nominal GDP per capita number in this article has been called "Estimate" for years. Due to the fact that the year is now 2024 and IMF has published their estimates for this year, I do not see a reason to remove them. Fiszu2001 (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Can change Map colors ? should use different shades of blue as in the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aj145 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

SKAG123, I invite you to read this discussion. It seems that we all here disagree concerning the update, so I've already asked for a third opinion. Wikipedia:Third opinion Fiszu2001 (talk) 11:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Since more than 2 editors are involved, I am declining your 3O request. I would try to discuss this a bit more before requesting dispute resolution. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

"including non-sovereign states and territories"

The standards are not clear. It seems that non-sovereign countries and regions should be placed on a gray background, but Monaco and Liechtenstein are both sovereign countries and are also placed on a gray background; Taiwan, Kosovo, and Palestine are not recognized countries, but they are not placed on a gray background. BlackShadowG (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Monaco and Liechtenstein

Why are Monaco and Liechtenstein listed as non-sovereign? User.name.here (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Sovereign states

The status quo had been maintained for a long time, but since March, some people edits have been made to determine whether the countries are sovereign or not, and whether or not to include ranking numbers. These edits have remained unchanged for months. This is not an issue that can be changed based on the opinions of a few people. I propose to keep the state "oldid=1210968136" until the discussion is over. Minchuchui (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Reasons against:

1) Extracted from the article: "Non-sovereign entities (the world, continents, and some dependent territories) and states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources. These economies ARE NOT RANKED IN THE CHARTS HERE, but are listed in sequence by GDP for comparison. In addition, non-sovereign entities are marked in italics."

2) Monaco and Liechtenstein ARE sovereign states (2 of the 193 Member States of the United Nations) and Kosovo, Taiwan and Palestine AREN'T sovereign states. This is A FACT, NOT AN OPINION.

3) Cuba is ranked obviously wrong. Cuba data (- / 9,500 / 11,255) is not greater than Sweden data (55,216 / 55,873 / 60,730). Fernan860 (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

It is absolutely and positively "not a settled fact" that Taiwan is not a sovereign states.

There is "international law". Whether a country is a member of the United Nations or not has NO Bearing on whether it is a sovereign state or not. If membership in the United Nations were a condition of being a sovereign state, Switzerland not have been a country until 2002. That is totally ludicrous, and it is not true. "Whether or not a country is a country" is separately stipulated in the international law "Montevideo Convention". Even with this "Montevideo Convention", which is an absolute condition for being a country, there is controversy over whether Taiwan is a sovereign nation. In other words, scholars are divided on whether or not Taiwan is a country. In other words, the "fact" you say that Taiwan is not a sovereign nation does not exist at all. That is a clear falsehood.

Well, the Taiwan status controversy should not be discussed in this Talk.

The issue is how to treat "De facto sovereign states" such as Taiwan, which have separate statistics at the IMF.

I argue that this article should do the same for Taiwan, which is often treated as a sovereign nation in many other Wikipedia articles.

And this is consistent with the version that was maintained for a long time until February 29 of this year. Minchuchui (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Your reasoning about Switzerland is interesting, so it could be accepted for the cases of Kosovo, Palestine and Taiwan. But Monaco and Liechtenstein being sovereign states has no possible objection.

If you want to include Kosovo, Palestine and Taiwan, the next extract would have to be modified: "Non-sovereign entities (the world, continents, and some dependent territories) and states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources. These economies ARE NOT RANKED IN THE CHARTS HERE, but are listed in sequence by GDP for comparison. In addition, non-sovereign entities are marked in italics." Fernan860 (talk) 16:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I think there are no or very few objections from other people to treating Monaco and Liechtenstein as sovereign states. I think the reason why Monaco and Liechtenstein have not been ranked until now is probably because of their small population size. From now on, I have no objection to treating these two countries as sovereign states and displaying their rankings.

Just like this article, the Wikipedia article Ease of doing business index, which summarizes statistical data published by the World Bank, states that Taiwan is a sovereign nation, as in previous versions of this article. Regarding this, I think it is okay to make changes to the extent of adding a note to the definition of a sovereign nation or the definition of ranking display in that article. However, I think that neither this article nor that article should change the current status quo, where Taiwan is treated as a sovereign state. I think it would be better not to manipulate the rankings by changing the display of one country as a sovereign state or not.

In any case, it would be better to make changes in parallel if possible. Minchuchui (talk) 09:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You clearly did not read the table, it is explicitly stated that it includes countries with partial recognition (most of the members of the UN do not recognize as a country) territories and countries that are not members of the IMF, so there is no current official data for them. Qplb191 (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I thought I told you to look at the wikipedia articles on List of countries by GDP (nominal) and List of countries by GDP (PPP). Since the data are issued by exactly the same statistical agency, it would be totally strange if we did not proceed with the discussion in a unified manner. It is totally unprofitable for you to edit only some of the articles, as you have done, to eliminate the uniformity.

The current notation "GDP per capita (current international dollar) by country or  territory, sovereignty, non-IMF members and countries with limited recognition "

was written as

"GDP (millions of current international dollar) by country or  territory " in the past,

as in the List of countries by GDP (nominal) article, only to be changed to manipulate the rankings by arbitrarily changing the classification of sovereign nations such as yours.

In the past, that was the notation, so your theory does not work.

The "country or territory" notation was used in the past, so Taiwan was officially treated as a sovereign state.

And I would argue that I should revert to that notation again, the same as the List of countries by GDP (nominal) article. Minchuchui (talk) 23:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Most importantly, this article clearly says "states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources".

This clearly shows that no attempt should be made to exclude Taiwan or Kosovo from the rankings. Minchuchui (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Monaco

There was consensus a to not include countries that are non IMF members and someone just removed that without getting consensus. 北京555 (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Cuba and North Korea are not members of IMF so I must remove them from the ranking. Fernan860 (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

North Macedonia gdp per capita.

Its not updated. It calculates gep per capita based on outdated population number from 2002. We had a census in 2021. Gdp per capita is over 9,000 for 2023 77.29.133.18 (talk) 13:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2024

Czechia’s gdp per capita is below 30k, so it shouldn’t be green as green is only for 30k to 40k. Kriskowoah (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: I suggest you raise your concerns with the editor who uploaded the map. M.Bitton (talk) 21:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Why was Iran changed from its 2024 IMF number to something else?

Self-explanatory. The IMF lists Iran's 2024 GDP per capita at current prices in market exchange rates as $5,310, which was listed under the IMF number on the page as of 26 April.

This was changed by one user today as being $929 for the year 2018 listed without an IMF source. I can't correct this but can another user please do so. 76.53.85.194 (talk) 00:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Please can the map be updated with 2024 IMF data

The map showing countries' IMF GDP per capita is still based on the 2023 figures, although the table has been updated with the 2024 IMF data. Please could the map be updated. I do not have the technical ability to do it, and in any case, as a new editor, I would not be able to do so as the article is semi-protected. ForestBeachLakes (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

which country needs to be updated? Titanx114 (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. It is actually all countries represented on the map. The map is based on IMF data from October 2023 but the table of countries uses IMF data from April 2024. Therefore, it would be a case of updating the map in line with the table (for all countries) using the April 2024 data. As I am new to Wikipedia, I have no idea how much work that would involve. ForestBeachLakes (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Please can someone look into updating the map. The IMF data in the table is from April 2024, but the data displayed on the map is still from 2023. As mentioned in my original post, I do not have the technical expertise to update the map myself. Maybe updating the map is a difficult task so only done infrequently (perhaps once a year), if so, please can someone let me know that. I am still fairly new to Wikipedia. ForestBeachLakes (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Guyana

how did guyana per capita gdp went from 9k in 2021 to 18k in 2022 to 24k in 2023?? 189.59.95.60 (talk) 13:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Oil HudecEmil (talk) 13:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Cyprus is in the EU

Cyprus is in the EU Per UN Geographic Classification. It’s also in the eurozone 92.184.98.193 (talk) 07:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Need an update for north macedonia. Gdp per capita is over 8.6k

Population drop from 2m to 1.8m meaning gdp per capita is wrong now 77.29.135.249 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2024

Change & update Pakistan's nominal GDP & GDP per capita data 120.89.67.25 (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The IMF sources (i.e. the only column in the table that is less up to date than other countries) have 'no data' for Pakistan in 2024, which is why it still uses the 2023 figures. If you can provide a reliable source which does have the data, it can be updated. Irltoad (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between related pages

There are a total of 4 Wikipedia pages related to list of countries by gdp.

List of countries by GDP (nominal),

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita,

List of countries by GDP (PPP),

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita.

The problem is that even though all the pages use the data released by the IMF and sort and order the data by that, they treat countries like Taiwan and Kosovo very differently on each page.

On the GDP and PPP per capita pages, Taiwan and Kosovo have a grey background,

while on the GDP per capita and PPP pages, Taiwan and Kosovo have a white background like the other countries.

In former versions of GDP and PPP per capita pages, the criteria was simply "whether or not there is individual IMF data", regardless of whether the region was a country or not, or whether it was not a limited recognition.

In other words, the condition for a grey background and no ranking number to be displayed was  no IMF data . In that version, countries with individual IMF data, such as Taiwan and Kosovo, were properly ranked, and countries without IMF data, such as North Korea and Syria, had a grey background.

To resolve this current strange situation, I would like to make a suggestion.

In all four pages of GDP, GDP per capita, PPP, and PPP per capita, the criteria for not ranking numbering is set to  no IMF data .

This is the same state as the previous version.

No matter what conclusion is reached regarding how to number the rankings in this discussion, I hope that the handling on all four pages will be unified.

This discussion was started here. Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal) Minchuchui (talk) 12:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Someone update for Albania to $10.5k

albania had census and results were published yesterday drop from 2.8m people to 2.4m. Meaning gdp is up to about $10.5k 77.29.154.130 (talk) 13:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2024

Four UN members (Cuba, Liechtenstein, Monaco and North Korea) do not belong to the IMF hence their economies are not ranked below.

IMF should link to the wiki page for it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund)

I personally did not know what it was and think it would be helpful to link to it from this page. Thedavemann (talk) 14:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

pakistan gdp per capita in economic survey for 2024 was revealed to be 1,680$ so please update it

So please update it 43.247.122.208 (talk) 07:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

"GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living; however, this is inaccurate because GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income."

The second statement is unsourced. There are sources for the first one though. I think this is problematic because it looks opinative and original. TheShadowRising (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I think north Korea and Cuba should also have a number which will make this list of 194 countries 43.247.122.132 (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)