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Death date removal

Muriel, why'd you remove the date of death? Do you have information that suggests the date is wrong? Everyking 16:35, 1 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, i copypasted from a doc of mine where (i thought) i had all the previous info. Muriel 17:34, 1 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Move suggestion

Shouldn't this article be at Rudolph of France? Or Raoul of France, or some such? john k 20:26, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Moved to Rudolph of France. Srnec 05:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emma's mother

Moved from article:

(note: Wikipedia notes on Robert I of France lists Emma's mother as Aelis - posted by iamanea [talk contributions] 4-1-10 5:40 AM MDST)

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== Lower Lorraine According to Lower Lorraine, that duchy switched allegiance to German Henry the Fowler during his reign, reducing the size. 77.171.247.220 (talk) 11:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Surtsicna wrote The infobox image should depict the subject of the article, right? Well, it did but you removed it as a "fanciful depiction not associated with the subject in modern scholarship". In my opinion, there is insufficient modern scholarship to worry about it, although it is certainly fanciful. That aside, I think a good image should be at the top. Readers like images; they create interest. We should optimize for them, not for editors who cite the Recueil des actes de Robert Ier et de Raoul, rois de France. Srnec (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A good image of Rudolph should be in the infobox but does such an image exist? I do not think that images should be placed into articles just to decorate them. Should they not be primarily educational? Surtsicna (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But the image we're discussing—the coin, I thought—is not a mere decoration. The question is whether aesthetics should play a role in its placement. I say yes, at least so long as the article does not have a section on numismatics. Why not give readers our only relevant image up front? Srnec (talk) 01:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. I was referring to the fleur-de-lis image. My problem with having the coin image in the infobox is that this particular coin does not depict the subject of the article, thus opening the way to churches, castles, maps, signatures, trees, caskets, books, and similar things we can see in medieval biography infoboxes instead of portraits. I agree with the notion that "not having a lead image may be the best solution", especially when the article is short enough for other kinds of images to be seen at a glance. Surtsicna (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the question is WP:PLA: will the reader immediately grasp the significance of the image, or will he be scratching his head? I don't think a coin atop a pre-modern monarch's page is a headscratcher. Pain fitzJohn is an FA with a castle in the box. Interestingly, the lead image at Louis the German (I just realized) is in fact an impression made by an ancient cameo of Hadrian. A contemporary depiction of Louis is further down the page. There is no good lead image for Attila, and I would happily drop the fanciful depiction there currently. That might be a case where "not having a lead image may be the best solution", although I could abide by a well-made map of his career (if we had one). Srnec (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]